MEDIA MIKE: 9/11 Fire posts eyewitness accounts that agree with my concept

STANLEY NOTE: Very interesting...and getting more so by the day.
From: "MediaMike"
[WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED] Re: Fire posts eyewitness accounts that agree with
my concept

Wow, Fire, you've shown that you have the ability to copy and paste
really well. But do you have the ability for objective cognitive
analysis? Let's see...

You were not there and all of your expertise really mean very little
at this point. You did not investigate the sites yourself and your
knowledge is suspect as such.

I also was not at the scene where David Copperfield made a 747
disappear. I don't have to be there to know that he didn't
dematerialize a jumbo jet. I am aware of the technology to make it
APPEAR as though he did it.

Shall I copy and paste 20 eyewitness accounts that claim he did make
it disappear? Would you then believe he has the power to convert
matter to energy and dissipate it from a given space?

I think you have given the French book
just too much credit as that individual was not there also.

Photographs from the military's own websites, used in the French
analysis are believable. The military used them to SUPPORT their
position. The fact is, it defeats their position.

I read your so called information from very biased sites with your
conspiracy theory as the bases and found them very lacking of real
evidence to prove what you are saying.

What I included were mostly EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS that differ greatly.
What they prove is that many people can see the same thing and
describe it completely differently. Your eyewitness accounts hold no
more credibility than mine.

Here are some more real personal eye witness accounts. Beleive it.

They are all "REAL" personal eyewitness accounts. Believe it! They
don't all agree as to what happened. Believe it! PEOPLE CAN BE
FOOLED. BELIEVE IT!

Read ONLY THE WORDS and you'll find that very few people can even say
they saw the plane ACTUALLY CRASH INTO THE BUILDING. I'll dissect a
few of your own examples to make this point crystal clear.

Ann Krug's kindergarten class at
Hoffman-Boston Elementary School nearly one mile away from the
Pentagon, saw the plane descend outside the classroom's window, about
two miles from the Pentagon.
"I actually pointed it out and said: 'Look at this plane; look at
how low it's flying,' "
"And then we all saw it come down."

They didn't say they saw it HIT THE BUILDING. They saw it "come down."
... Memorial page for Robert Joseph Hymel, husband of the School
Principal
... Account by courtesy of the Washington Post, November 15th, 2001 :
Students playing outside at recess saw the plane flying low over
them minutes before it hit the building,

They saw it "flying low BEFORE IT HIT THE BUILDING" The capital
letters are a supposition, not a witness or statement of fact that
they saw it hit the building.
... Arlington County In The News' December 11th,
Dennis Clem, Deputy Director, Directorate for Information Systems and
Services, Defense Intelligence Agency.
"There was a commercial airliner that said American Airliners over
the side of it flying at just above treetop height at full speed
headed for the Pentagon.

Headed for the Pentagon. Could this plane have cruised over or around
the Pentagon and an explosion made it SEEM like it hit? Yes.
>From a mail message from 'Isopodia'.
Zinovy Pak, Russian Munitions Agency director, was on his way to the
Pentagon for negotiations over U.S. funding for a southern Urals
chemical weapons destruction facility when he "saw a plane crash into
the building."
http://www.ecoline.ru/news/DEC01/01120903.TXT
Moscow Times, November 21, 2001 - Yevgenia Borisova (Lexis Nexis)
(text mirror) http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/lexisnexis/pak.txt

This person needs commerce from the Pentagon. Could his testimony be
tainted? I think so. It is also third-party reporting (not from the
witness himself).
>From National Airport
Greta van Susteren, CNN legal analyst and anchor of "The Point,"
was on the roof of a parking structure at National Airport, with her
husband.:
"We saw a plane near the Pentagon and then heard this 'boom' "

This is a perfect example of what the vast majority of your links
saw. They witnessed a plane NEAR the Pentagon, then saw SMOKE and
heard a BOOM.

Irish Times, 9/12/01 (Lexis Nexis)
(text mirror)
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/lexisnexis/irishtimes1.txt
Allen Cleveland of Woodbridge Virginia looked out from a Metro
train going to National Airport Station, to see a jet heading down
toward the Pentagon.
"I thought, 'There's no landing strip on that side of the subway
tracks,' " Before he could process that thought, he saw "a huge
mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was in absolute hysterics."
" . . a silver passenger jet, mid sized"
See also: What's all this about the C-130 ?

This link, posted by YOU, shows that they saw a plane, saw a mushroom
cloud, (which defies the photographic evidence) but DID NOT SEE THE
PLANE HIT THE BUILDING. It also references the C-130 which the govt
tried to deny was there.

Meseidy Rodriguez confirms "it was a mid size plane".
... Video by Craig Cola / Edited by: Chet Rhodes / washingtonpost.com
...
http://mfile.akamai.com/920/rm/thepost.download.akamai.com/920/nation/
091101-5s.ram
... http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/170005.html
His brother in-law also saw a jetliner flying low over the tree tops
near Seminary Rd. in Springfield, VA. (four miles to the South West
of the Pentagon, down Interstate 395) and soon afterwards a military
plane was seen flying right behind it.
... http://www.spooky8.com/reviews.htm

This link adds credence to my theory, not yours. Thank you!

Susan Carroll "I was standing on the platform high above the
airport awaiting a Metro subway train to my office in the heart of
the district, on Constitution Avenue, admiring the lovely blue skies
when I saw the plane hit and the fireball and explosion at the
Pentagon. At first, I didn't believe what I saw. At about the same
time, the train approached the platform, and I remember turning to a
fellow passenger and asking, 'What should we do?' "
jacksonville.com / Phillip J. Milano / Sept 11th 2002

Since she couldn't believe what she was seeing, her mind immediately
converted what she saw into something that she could believe. This is
human physiological-psychology. In dreams, we make random or
incongruent images into something that we can comprehend. Seeing a
plane be "absorbed" (as in a holographic image), into a building,
then seeing an explosion at that point, a person would change what
they saw into a solid object plane crashing into the building. Admit
the possibility. From there, the rest of the physical evidence, and
unretouched photographs make sense. Again, don't discount the
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE!
>From across the River
Joe Hurst, is general manager of the Oval Room restaurant at
Lafayette Square,
..." But he doesn't really complain about business. "I saw it go
overhead, the plane," says Joe Hurst, describing the American flight
that circled the White House.
His assistant saw it dive into the Pentagon as he drove to work.
"Last week, I was having flashbacks," he says.
Boston Globe, 9/21/01 article by Brian McGrory (Lexis Nexis)
(text mirror) http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/lexisnexis/hurst1.txt

This person saw the plane "dive into the building" which defies the
hole angle that was the result of the explosion at the site.

Lt. Col. Stuart Artman, 44, a licensed commercial airline pilot of
the Army Reserve and engineer in Winter Haven, Florida, was walking
near the Washington Monument when he saw a plane fly low over the
city.
"I saw the plane that hit the Pentagon. It went behind some
trees." Then he saw the smoke.

Here again, people saw the approach, then smoke. NOT AN IMPACT.

The Ledger, Lakeland, FL, 9/15/01 - by Joy Murphy (Lexis Nexis)
(text mirror) http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/lexisnexis/artman.txt
Sen. Patty Murray (D, Washington) was in a meeting with other Senate
leaders.
"From a window in the meeting room, she saw a plane hit the Pentagon."
Seattle Times, December 9, 2001 (Lexis Nexis)
(text mirror) http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/lexisnexis/murray.txt
Tri-City Herald / Les Blumenthal and John Stang / Sept. 12th
(google.com cache)

This is third party testimony. "She saw..." This is invalid.

Gus , a painter who immigrated from Greece 25 years ago, was working
across the Potomac.
"I was working Tuesday," he says. "I saw the plane. Low. Too low.
Fast.

He saw a plane and it was low and fast. This does not prove that THAT
plane hit the Pentagon.

Cox News Service / September 15, 2001 / Paul Reid (Lexis Nexis)
(text mirror) http://www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr/lexisnexis/gus.txt
"Nightlite" wrote:
I live three miles from the pentagon, I heard that plane go over my
house moments before it hit.
google newsgroup message
A live Interviewee said:
"I did see, myself a plane, about half hour ago, circling over the
Capitol, now whether that may have been..."

Heard the plane, ASSUMED IT HIT. Neither of these witnesses SAW THE PLANE HIT.

Captain Joseph Candelario, USA a first year student in the Family
Nurse Practitioner Program watched from the River by Fort McNair.
I noticed a large aircraft flying low towards the White House. This
aircraft then made a sharp turn and flew towards the Pentagon and
seconds later crashed into it.
http://www.dragonslair.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/77/ffdd.html#Bell

The crash is an assumption. This person did not witness the plane hit.

Steve Snaman, manager of the datacom division for Walker Seals, would
usually be working at the Pentagon but happened to be watching from
Fort McNair as the jetliner came in low at full throttle, banked left
and smashed into the wall of the Pentagon.
"We saw the plane hit the Pentagon. My first reaction was to get
on the Nextel to reach my men, but I couldn't get a signal. They were
in Wedge One."
... 'Electrical Contractor' Industry News article.
http://www.necanet.org/whats_new/report.cfm?ID=1005
... Article from NECA News, October 3, 2001

This would be a credible eyewitness account except for the fact that
he WORKS AT THE PENTAGON. His job depends on agreeing with the
official story.

Scott P. Cook was at work on the fifth floor of the Portals
building, at 1280 Maryland Avenue SW, Washington DC. immediately
opposite to the Pentagon across the River.
We didn't know what kind of plane had hit the Pentagon, or where it
had hit. Later, we were told that it was a 757 out of Dulles, which
had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over
the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up
the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down
Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon
I cannot fathom why neither myself nor Ray, a former Air Force
officer, missed a big 757, going 400 miles an hour, as it crossed in
front of our window in its last 10 seconds of flight.
http://www.clothmonkey.com/91101.htm

This person didn't see ANYTHING! He even admits that it would be
unlikely for a plane that size to fly by him and be unable to see it!
Thanks for this one!
See also: What's all this about the C-130 ?
Ken Ford, a State Department employee, watched from the 15th floor of
the State Department Annex, just across the Potomac from the
Pentagon.
We were watching the airport through binoculars, he said, referring
to Reagan National Airport, a short distance away. The plane was a
two-engine turbo prop that flew up the river from National. Then it
turned back toward the Pentagon. We thought it had been waved off and
then it hit the building.

This person saw a C-130 (prop plane) hit the building. The
photographic evidence also shows that this didn't happen.
... delawareonline.com newsday article by Ken Fireman Sept 11
(.pdf file)
... http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/world/2001/0912/wor5.htm
James S Robbins a national-security analyst
& 'nationalreviewonline' contributor:
"I was standing, looking out my large office window, which faces
west and from six stories up has a commanding view of the Potomac and
the Virginia heights."
"The Pentagon is about a mile and half distant in the center of the
tableau. I was looking directly at it when the aircraft struck. The
sight of the 757 diving in at an unrecoverable angle is frozen in my
memory, but at the time.
" I did not immediately comprehend what I was witnessing. There was
a silvery flash, an explosion, and a dark, mushroom shaped cloud rose
over the building."
"I was there. I saw it. That is my entire rebuttal."

This person says the plane was "diving in at an unrecoverable angle"
which would indicate that the plane hit the building at a steep
impact angle. This conflicts with the hole angle made by the
explosion in the walls. This person is also a national-security
analyist. He has probably been told what he can say.
... nationalreview.com Rebuttal written by Robbins, April 9, 2002
8:55 a.m.
Lesley Kelly, Cmdr. U.S. Navy (Ret.), Gresham,
"On Sept. 11, I was standing in a break room of an office . . . in
downtown D.C., when I looked out the window to see an airplane
descend into the side of the Pentagon, where the Navy offices where
five friends and colleagues of mine were located." oregonlive.com /

This witness watched the plane "descend into the Pentagon" yet
several witnesses say they saw the plane flying low and directly
level (with wings rocking). How to you rectify those stories?
>From the Navy Annex area
Mr. Arnesdotter, father of a Villa Augustina School 8th grader, e-
mailed a poem from his work place, a nearby building. having seen the
plane hit.
'News & Events' / 'Eighth Grade Quilt' / Thursday, November 1st
James Mosley, 57, was four stories up on a scaffold, washing the
windows of the Navy Annex building when the plane flew overhead.
``The building started shaking, and I looked over and saw this big
silver plane run into the side of the Pentagon,'' said the ``It
almost knocked me off. I couldn't believe it.''

Perhaps one of the few acceptable witness accounts. (He is, however,
reliant on the Pentagon to supply him with a paycheck.) With only a
handful of these, and the "unbelievability" of the event, it is easy
to take into consideration the POSSIBILITY that it was a holographic
psyops event, or that these very few witnesses who claim to have seen
the plane ACTUALLY HIT the Pentagon, were taken in for a friendly
"debriefing" to make sure they saw what they were supposed to see.
This would be similar to everyone who saw the Middle-Eastern man with
Timothy McVeigh being told "officially" (read: grilled) that they saw
no such person, but that it was a white guy (Terry Nichols).
... Story by Glen Justice, Laura Smitherman and Tony Capaccio in
Washington at (202) 624-1984
with reporting by Dan Goldstein and John Rega. /wfs / Sept 11
mailto:gjustice@bloomberg.net
Vice Adm. Darb Ryan, Chief of Naval Personnel, was in his office at
the Navy Annex about halfway between Trapasso's home and the
Pentagon. Having learned that New York had been attacked, he was on
the telephone recommending the evacuation of the Pentagon
"when out of the corner of my eye I saw the airplane"

Pentagon brass. Automatic discount.

Aviation Week & Space Technology: June 17, 1995 (sic)? / Pentagon
Attack Hits Navy Hard / w48.htm
Steve Mondul, a special Assistant to the Transportation Commissioner
reports that the plane came directly overhead the DOT's Smart Traffic
Center, an inconspicuous two-story brick building up a hill from the
Pentagon.
http://www.tfhrc.gov/focus/nov01/nineoneone.htm
http://www.arra.org/downloads/ARRA2001Newsletter_3.PDF
Madelyn Zakhem, executive secretary at the STC, had just stepped
outside for a break when she saw
'... an airliner coming straight up Columbia Pike at tree-top
level. "It was huge! It was silver. It was low -- unbelievable! I
could see the cockpit. I fell to the ground, I was crying and scared,"
http://www.roadstothefuture.com/VA_Sept21.txt

These people did NOT witness a plane actually hit the Pentagon.
Sergeant Maurice L. Bease, 24, had worked around Marine aviation
long enough to know what a fly-by was, and it sounded like one as he
stood outside his office near the Pentagon on Sept. 11. Turning
around expecting to see a fighter jet fly over, he saw only a split-
second glimpse of a white commercial airliner streaking low toward
the building, and him! He did not even have time to duck before it
plowed into the side of the Pentagon around the corner and about 200
yards from where he stood.
.. 'Leatherneck' Marine's Magazine / By Maj Fred H. Allison, USMCR
(Ret) / © 2001

Third party account. This time the plane is white. Other times it was
silver. Which was it?

Albert Hemphill, a BMDO (Ballistic Missile Defense Organization)
staff member watched from from the Navy Annex:
As I stood there, I instinctively ducked at the extremely loud roar
and whine of a jet engine spooling up. Immediately, the large silver
cylinder of an aircraft appeared in my window, coming over my right
shoulder as I faced the Westside of the Pentagon directly towards the
heliport. The aircraft, looking to be either a 757 or Airbus, seemed
to come directly over the annex, as if it had been following Columbia
Pike - an Arlington road leading to Pentagon. The aircraft was moving
fast, at what I could only be estimate as between 250 to 300 knots.
All in all, I probably only had the aircraft in my field of view for
approximately 3 seconds.
The aircraft was at a sharp downward angle of attack, on a direct
course for the Pentagon. It was "clean", in as much as, there were no
flaps applied and no apparent landing gear deployed. He was slightly
left wing down as he appeared in my line of sight, as if he'd
just "jinked" to avoid something. As he crossed Route 110 he appeared
to level his wings, making a slight right wing slow adjustment as he
impacted low on the Westside of the building to the right of the
helo, tower and fire vehicle around corridor 5.
...Email posted to www.ournetfamily.com/WarOnTerror webmaster
Copy of message / Sept 12 4:20 PM

Official of the government. Automatic discount.

Kim Dent, 33, an administrative assistant at Ballistics Missiles of
Defense, across the street from the Pentagon , was looking out the
window with some co-workers. .
"We saw the shadow of a plane. We heard the engine. We all
said, 'That plane is flying kind of close."
... 'Nation' article: 09/11/2001 - Updated 07:05 PM ET / © Copyright
2002 USA TODAY
Ian Wyatt. a 1999 graduate of Mary Washington College was walking
to his federal job.
He glanced into the sky just as a commercial airplane roared by
about 100 yards off the ground.
" I was so scared I thought it was coming after me and just ducked
for cover,"
"It was going so fast and it was so low," he said, standing on
Army-Navy Drive.
"..incredibly loud jet engines flying very low over the highway.."
"..it looks like a silver, an American Airlines twin engined
plane.."
" ... I could then hear cars squealing all around and people were
just stunned."
... http://fredericksburg.com/Movies/2001/092001/pentagon
... http://www.poynter.org/Terrorism/PDF/TheFreelanceStarW.pdf

Everyone ducked. The plane could have passed barely overhead of the
Pentagon while the explosion made everyone think that the plane hit.
(I do this stuff in video editing all the time).

Scott Perry of Spotsylvania County heard a plane's engines rumbling
above the NavyAnnex building where he works, so he looked out his
window, which faces the Pentagon.
"It was coming straight into the wedge,"
"I saw it crash. There was about five seconds of disbelief, and the
next thing I heard was, down the hallway, a friend of mine
screaming."
"There's a picture in my mind that probably won't go away for a
long time,"
... By ELIZABETH PEZZULLO and JANET MARSHALL / Sept 12, 5:36 am / ©
The Free Lance-Star Publishing Company.

Government employee. Automatic discount.

The rest of your copy and paste accounts provide more corroboration
of LOTS of witnesses seeing a "plane" that was "flying low and fast".
Some saw the plane "cartwheel into the building" after "hitting the
helipad". Interestingly, the photographic evidence disproves both of
these events.

A few that are detailed accounts (almost too detailed to be believed)
are the Pentagon employees' versions of what happened. These can not
be taken into account if they agree with the "official story" because
of the pattern of threats applied by the military to their employees
(both military and civil) if such employees speak out against the
military's version of things.

Thanks for corroborating my pieces with your research. It is always a
pleasure to have an opposing opinion post evidence that disagrees
with their version of a story and supports mine.

Best wishes
MediaMike, Phoenix
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